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The North Carolina Coalition for Verified Voting www.ncvoter.net
NC Ballot Printing mess-politics or excuse to gut Public Confidence in Elections Act? ... what questions did the media forget to ask? And what are the answers? Read more here...
13 candidates file for open NC appeals court job AP News August 31, 2010 The only legal tallying method for IRV is with paper ballots. Wouldn't it be ironic if this election was tallied by a jury-rigged system?
For lawyers and judges running for Wynn's seat, read this: North Carolina statewide Instant Runoff election and legal challenges Thanks to instant runoff voting, the November 2010 election for North Carolina Appeals has all the potential for a Florida style meltdown...Instant runoff voting, aka IRV will be used statewide to fill NC Appeals Judge Wynn's seat and our voting machines can't tally it. Other contests will use regular election methods. That makes it extra confusing. The possible confusion may impact other contests as voters and poll workers deal with a mixture of voting methods all in one election. Read report on how IRV clashes with existing election laws and procedures here
Also see our page on Instant Runoff Voting in NC Also see our blog posts in right column of home page.
"There are no provisions on ES&S equipment to tabulate IRV." ~ Keith Long , Voting System Project Manager for the North Carolina State Board of Elections Jan 7, 2008
"We can use November 2007 as a pilot and not use IRV in May 2008 because it poses too much of a risk. May request change in legislation for retesting IRV with certified upgrades in 2009." ~ NC State Board of Elections March 6, 2007
The largest jurisdiction to hold IRV elections is San Francisco, who has managed to find ways to deal with the challenges. This may not translate to statewide elections, but it is as close as we can find.
Don't be mis-led: Instant runoff voting is not feasible for statewide elections.
Don Frantz, the only person elected by instant runoff voting in NC speaks out Don points out that with instant runoff voting there is voter confusion, lack of confidence in the system, and often the result of IRV is a plurality "win". Don, the says IRV is not worth it. "To me the number one concern is election integrity. If we can’t trust the election process we’ve got, I don’t care what it costs. I don’t care what the turnout is."
If you don't like costly low turnout runoff elections, then don't have them. 42 states do not hold statewide runoff elections . IRV does not provide a majority, but awards "winners" with less than 50% of the ballots cast. IRV does not save money, but increases costs of elections: Last month Minneapolis Minnesota learned that the continuing cost of IRV/RCV is : $244,000" ..President Barb Johnson (4th Ward), was miffed by the study. She noted that RCV’s supporters had promoted the system by saying it would draw out more voters and cost less than a traditional primary-plus-general election system. Considering the study’s results and last year’s very low voter turnout, she said, “all of these things did not happen in our city.” “It is disturbing to me that we’re talking about an extra quarter of a million dollars for a system that was supposed to decrease our costs,” Johnson said. Find the report at http://bit.ly/d5q2Y1
"No instant-runoff capable equipment meets North Carolina's standards -- so will we gut those standards? Lawmakers and citizens understand that we need our verified voting law, and we need to implement it correctly. Our standards for voting systems, software and vendors are key to protecting North Carolina voters from harm caused by uncertified software or unscrupulous vendors. We ignore those at our peril." ~ Joyce McCloy, Director, NC Coalition for Verified Voting
1. NC voting systems can not handle IRV, there is no software, it was too complex for Cary NC to count by hand, to complex esp for statewide elections 2. IRV would cost more than regular elections, new procedures, more laborious, more ballots printed, more complex programming, and is not auditable. 3. IRV provided plurality results for Cary NC election, and Hendersonville never used IRV votes, didn't count or report them. 4. Why make elections more complex for the voter, and eliminate election transparency only to get plurality results?
Join our online discussion group a yahoo group for voters concerned about election transparency in North Carolina.
About us: The North Carolina Coalition for Verified Voting is a grassroots non-partisan organization fighting for clean and verified elections. We study and research the issue of voting to ensure the dignity and integrity of the intention of each voting citizen. The NC Voter Verified Coalition has consistently fought for increasing access, participation and ensuring the voter franchise. Contact Joyce McCloy, Director, N.C. Coalition for Verifiable Voting - phone 336-794-1240 - email Join the NC Coalition for Verified Voting website www.ncvoter.net
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In August, 2005 the North Carolina General Assembly passed the Public Confidence in Elections Act, SL 323 which mandated that every voting system in the state produce or use a voter verified paper ballot. This law also set standards for voting systems software and for the vendors selling the software. North Carolina led the way as one of only a dozen or so states with a verified voting law at the time.
This law has been applauded by several national organizations including the Brennan Center for Justice, Common Cause and the Verified Voting Foundation. The law has been defended in court by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Even today we continue to work to protect the high standards of the Public Confidence in Elections Act while seeking new ways to ensure the voter franchise. | |

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"When our town agreed to IRV in 2007, it was kind of rush job..There was a lot of pushback, the public wasn’t involved … I do not like instant runoff voting and have given my reasons as to why many times. I'll take in elections over funny math and 30% voter confusion any day." ~ Don Frantz Cary City Council member.
Instant Runoff Voting Facts VS Fiction Learn about problems with instant runoff voting in the United States and in other countries. See reports, cost studies, and news.
North Carolina runoff elections? Instant Runoff Voting is no answer
North Carolina procedures for counting IRV elections error prone and risky
7 Ways Instant Runoff Voting Undermines North Carolina Verified Voting law
Instant Runoff Voting was rejected by Sunnyvale, Burlington, Pierce Co, Cary. Aspen in Nov?
IRV does not increase turnout: It its first IRV election, Minneapolis had its lowest turnout in over 100 years, since 1902. Other jurisdictions have learned the truth about IRV & turnout too
Instant Runoff Voting Not So Good Polls: Cary NC, Hendersonville NC, Pierce Co WA, and San Francisco 22.0% of Cary voters did not understand IRV at all |
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NC Verified Voting Legislative Successes
SL 2005-323 Public Confidence in Elections Law - signed into law on August 26, 2005 - voter verified paper ballots.
SL 2006-192 NC Election audit language improved. See SECTION 7.(b) G.S. 163‑182.2(b) signed into law on August 3, 2006.
S.L. 2007-391 Ends the "No Match No Vote" policy in North Carolina that blocked thousands of eligible voters from registering to vote. Signed into law on 08/19/2007. See "Making sure it counts" in the Aug 29,07 issue of the Washington Daily News. |
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